“NO LOVE” BUCS vs sAints Week 4 Interview With A Saints Fan
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are headed down to New Orleans for Week 4 in the first attempt to take control of the NFC South. I talked sAints fan Ryan Prindall(@RyanPrindall_) to gauge the outlook of the team in the Crescent City.
We talk about Lattimore/Evans matchup, the possibility of Winston taking place as the starter, and the challenges both teams may face.
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O/L: How did you become a Saints fan? Are you a native of New Orleans? Louisiana area?
What's happening??
Ryan: I'm not in Louisiana. I was born and raised in Alabama.
O/L: Being born and raised in Alabama, so you had the choice of being a Falcons fan. You had a choice of being a Cowboys fan simply because of the region.
Because I'm also-- I'm from Mississippi. Being from Mississippi, those were the teams that were on television and played on television regularly.
You became a fan of the Saints being a resident of Alabama. Born and raised. How did that even happen?
Ryan: Well, I remember watching the Rebirth Game.
O/L: The rebirth game? Explain that to us Bucs fans who might not be familiar with it.
Ryan: It was week three of the 2006 season, the first game back in the Superdome since Hurricane Katrina.
And it was instantly known for the Rebirth Game because of Steve Gleason's blocked punt.
A game that the Saints went on to win.
And that was the first game of the Saints I remember watching.
O/L: OK, that's the first game you watched. That was a pretty emotional time. That's literally-- that's game-changing. That's life-changing for a lot of cats because that's high emotions running in that scenario.
So that was your first game and you just became addicted from there?
Ryan: Pretty much.(...) Even though I was already addicted to football by watching pretty much my album Crimson Tide.
That's another story for another time.
O/L: I, too, I follow Alabama. I grew up between Mississippi State and the University of Alabama. So I was kind of between the two , but I followed them, still follow them. Yeah. Again, another story for another time.
So, being emotionally attached to the team at that point, how did you continue watching? Because I know growing up in Mississippi as a Bucs fan, I had to wait, like, the week after games happened, or days after before I even could keep up or find out, statistically, what was going on and highlights and stuff like that, because we weren't getting a whole lot of national coverage.
2006 was during our downfall after the Super Bowl and Super competitive years.
Ryan: Wow ! I thought you had John Gruden. Didn’t you?
O/L: Did we have who? John Gruden.
I got a whole lot of opinions about John Gruden. I'm not going to get into it.
Ryan: Usually the Saints usually get the local games, like on Fox, CBS, stuff like that.
I said that 2006 season really made people look at the New Orleans Saints and made them all say, “this can be a really good football team.”
O/L: Yeah, how much of that do you think was because a lot of people wanted to pull for New Orleans, being that it was Hurricane Katrina and all that stuff and all the adversity that the city itself was going into?
How much do you think that people were actually rooting for New Orleans, just nationwide, just to give those cats, the city, and the team something to look forward to and something they can hold their hat on, being that there was so much controversy around the Hurricane Katrina stuff and so much tragedy surrounded by it?
Ryan I think Katrina had to play with it. But, at the same time, you also got a new head coach and a new quarterback, two guys who would pretty much define the franchise for almost 20 years.
O/L: It was a big deal with Drew Brees coming in and Sean Payton because that's when they both pretty much took off in their careers together.
So yeah, yeah, I mean, that's dead on. That's a great point.
Because that was a long line of success, definitely more success than what they'd seen previously coming from their previous head coaches and their previous expected highs and then those super ridiculous lows that came in, having quarterbacks and bad players like Aaron Brooks and so many others.
Because you guys at this point, man, it's 2023, you guys don't have, to my knowledge, I don't think you guys have had a drafted quarterback that has played and thrown a touchdown in a regular game since 2000....no, 1997. I think Danny Wuerffel was the last drafted quarterback that actually threw a touchdown in a game.
Ryan: And the last time, or back in the first round, was Archie Manning.
O/L: Yep, it was Archie Manning before him.
So yeah, that's a long time to wait. And then have something to root for.
Obviously, the game isn't built completely around or about the quarterback, but that is how people perceive the team based on their hopes for the quarterback and everything like that, which is, like I said, for better or worse, it's just kind of how it goes.
You've followed the team since 06, but you consider yourself a diehard fan. You think you're staying close to some of these other cats who've been around since an inception, around '67, whenever it was that they came about??
Ryan: Yeah. It's complicated, you know? Because sometimes you can watch the games on TV, but don't exactly follow the team because they're not on all the TV all the time.
O/L: It's very much similar to fellow BUCS fans like myself and others. Like, a lot of us, I think, the most diehard Bucks fans may not even be in the state of Florida. I'd say most of us, as far as the people who really, really wanted to be around the team, we did so from afar. Like, I'm coming from Mississippi, and I know friends and fellow BUCS fans who are coming from Memphis, Tennessee, and Minnesota, and New Mexico, these are the ones who were so starving to be around the team when we couldn't be.
We consider ourselves hardcore. Far more hardcore than some of the locals, the people who were, basically, spoiled by the team and had other stuff to root for and had all these other activities they can get involved in.
Well, we were like, "fuck it, man." We just wanna be rooting for our team as much as we can and as loud as we can. And New Orleans has never had that problem. New Orleans is a team that is for the city. Like, the city of New Orleans is the Saints.
Ryan: What they do, they do for the city. They play for the fans. And you can't ask anything more than that.
O/L: That's gotta be a great feeling for the hardcore fans. Fans like yourself.
But looking at the team now, we're going into week four.
Both teams, Buccaneers and the Saints, staying at 2-1,
coming off of disappointing losses in various different conditions,
what do you think the state of the Saints is for fans?
How are you looking at the Saints right now going into this week four matchup?
Ryan: Honestly, the offense needs to get wrapped together. The O-line is terrible. Pete Carmichael, seemingly, cannot call an offense unless he's begged t. And, of course, the defense is gonna get tired if the offense keeps going three and out every single play.
O/L: Yes. BUCS fans can relate.
We've seen this for several years, even the Super Bowl year, we've kind of seen similar deal. We had similar questions and surrounded our offense, not so much our offensive line, but definitely our offense and our offensive play calling.
What have been the biggest faults that you guys have seen in the complaint against your OC and the plays that have been called?
Ryan: That he's not opening up.
Even when Carr went out,when Jameis was playing, you would not open the offense for him. And you're trying to make him this Drew Brees-like player, something he's not. He's a gunslinger. It's like, let him throw it deep for once. Like, when Sean Payton was coaching for the final season, at least he let James Winston throw it deep once in a while.
O/L: Yeah, James Winston did throw. I mean, he had the targets to do so. And sometimes, he had the time to do so. If your offensive line is really giving him the time and you guys are afraid of that, the one thing I'd say t, just as a football fan who sat up and rooted for this cat for almost six years; two years in his college career, and then actually five years, in the first three years of his time in being in Tampa.... it's not a guy you want to give a whole lot of time to and then actually open stuff up.
I remember when he when he went to New Orleans, I got a lot of Saints fans who were ranting and raving, saying that he was going to be able to, to be a different kind of quarterback. Sean Payton's not a fool. Sean Payton, he wrangled the hell out of James Winston. Well, he limited his passes because he didn't want him throwing the games away, which was a very, very, very smart move. And Dennis Allen was in a building when that was going on. You don't think that that's something that Dennis Allen has kept in mind? Dennis Allen has seen him play on both sides. He's been on his team as well as he's defended him before, and he's been successful defending him because James Winston didn't play with the damn against the Saints when he was in a Buccaneers uniform.
So do you think that is a reason why your OC would not open up the offense for James Winston? Or does it go back to more Derek Carr as well?
Ryan: I think it's both, because when Derek Carr was throwing the ball, he would make some smart decisions, but sometimes he would make some dumb decisions. But James, you're probably gonna get more dumb decisions than smart decisions. And even when he was playing Tampa,honestly, just half that 30, 30 year, kind of wasn't his fault because some of those, some of the receivers couldn't catch the ball and kept getting deflected into interceptions.
It's hard to say, but it's getting to a point where people love the guy... people love him. But as a player, he keeps making the same mistakes, and you just can't have that on your team.
O/L: That's 100% correct, man. And that's why he was never gonn be a Buccaneer for a second contract.
Even in the game last week when he got in, when Derek Carr got hurt after the third quarter or in the middle of the third quarter,
Jameis Winston did exactly what Jameis Winston does. Jamis Winston may have success with one pass and one receiver, and then somehow, some way, whether it's the call or it's him making the decision after the center snaps the ball, he goes to that target every time. Well, not every time, but he goes to him repeatedly.
You can see him targeting his favorite thing, whatever it was that was successful the last time, that's what he does. And that's why other teams were able to pick him apart as far as just, basically, waiting on the opportunity because he was gonna continue doing the exact same thing that he had a small amount of success in.
Is that a fear for you guys going into week four?
Ryan: The fear is that the offensive line still won't get their crap together, and Pete Carmichael is just gonna be called a dumbest offense. And ultimately, our defense might get tired because that's what happened with Green Bay
O/L: I'm telling you, again, this is a very similar story to a lot of the losses and the faults in Tampa over the past few years. And this, again, this happens with any offense when you're not efficient, and when you're not in a flow of things. Even if you're not putting points on the board, you gotta be able to move the ball to take time off the clock to give you a defense rest. And we've seen this in Tampa for, my god, the last eight years or so, when the offense was bad. Whether it was a talent thing, whether it was our quarterback not being able to make good decisions or our offense and our offensive coordinator not being able to call plays and do things that made sense.
So, yeah, so you guys are pretty much in the same predicament as BUCS fans have been in a while.
That's one thing. But on the flip side of things, the Saints have a decent defense.
What do you see with those guys? Are there any match-ups that you see anywhere, specifically on the defense, that you see that they're gonna have success? Any way they can do something with Tampa's offense as it stands down with the new OC and with Baker Mayfield going into his fourth game after a loss??
Ryan: This might be cliche to say, but a Lattimore versus Evans is like a match-up to watch.
O/L: Yeah, it's a lot of people's favorite match-up.
I really wanna say it's overblown to a degree. I love the fact that they've got a physical rivalry amongst each other , and they go at it with various scenarios, but Mike Evans has said several times that he respects the hell out of Lattimore because they're two of the best ,and they just wanna compete.
When you look at the stats ,and you look at everything that's going on, you'll see Mike Evans just doesn't get targeted a lot when he's playing against Lattimore. And I've been to at least half the games and I've seen them in person, and there's really no reason for it.
Over over the three years that Tom Brady was there, Tom Brady felt like he had so many different options he could go to that he just threw it somewhere else. And he never had real good success against the Saints in their defense.
Jameis Winston was just terrible with accuracy, and he didn't target Mike Evans even though Mike Evans had advantage a lot of times against Lattimore.
But as a Saints fan, obviously you guys have the bragging rights in that world because there have been more wins than losses against Tampa Bay with Marshawn Lattimore playing the way he's playing.
How do you see that rivalry between the two of those guys?
Ryan: I think it's two alpha males trying to prove that they're the best. It's cliche, but it applies to them.
O/L: Yeah, they don't mess around, man. I don't think I've ever been able to track down anything with Marshawn Lattimore speaking on Mike Evans. Like I said, I've seen and heard Mike Evans give a lot of respect to Marshawn, like it's nothing personal-personal, but when I see you, we just gonna go at it regardless.
He talks a lot of craziness , and Marshawn gets under his skin. Again, he's not getting targeted. He's running these routes. A lot of times he's beating him on these routes, but he's not getting the ball for some reason or another, and he gets frustrated as hell. And I'm not sure what kind of trash talk Marshawn Lattimore has given him, but obviously, it's there. He's got him. Like, he gets under his skin pretty damn bad.
Ryan: It kind of does, you know,. Sometimes that can happen.
O/L: You guys got a pretty solid defensive line. Our offensive line is almost in a similar shape as you guys', and we still don't know how good or how bad they are. There are some complaints amongst BUCS fans about our offensive line.
Who would you be looking at to have a good day? We know you've got Cam Jordan, who's going to talk a whole lot of shit and do a whole lot of illegal shit.
It always goes back to him punching two of our fucking players under a pile a few years ago. He's a good player regardless. But who else on the defensive side of the ball do you feel like can have a good day against this current offense of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
Ryan: I think Bryan Breece might have a good day.
O/L: The young guy. The Rookie?
Yeah, he was a solid guy in the draft that I looked at.
He's been doing pretty good work so far. You guys also had another cat out of our Notre Dame, an outside linebacker. He's a pass rusher. He was one of my draft crushes , and we didn't get him. Now I'm blanking out on his name trying to forget who the hell he was.
Ryan: Isaiah Foskey?
O/L: Isaiah Foskey.
That was my dude in the draft. And I told about five other BUCS fans that this dude could be mean as hell. And I hated the fact that he ended up in the NFC South. And I even more hated the fact that he ended up on the fucking Saints.
But Isaiah Foskey, I think, he can be a serious dude. He can be the Shaquille Barrett of the New Orleans Saints. And I hate that. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. So I hope he doen't have a good day. I hope he doesn't show up.
On the offensive side of the ball, you got Kamara coming back, who is basically, been the target for the BUCS defense. He's the guy that we said, if we can stop that dude, if we can slow him down, then we take away a great, great, great X factor from New Orleans. Now he's coming back.
Talk to me about that, about the inclusion of him coming back now, and how that might change how your offense works.
Ryan: Kamara's not the only person you got to deal with. You got to deal with Olave, MT , and Rasid Shaheed. Those guys can get to the ball really fast.
O/L: The wide receivers that you guys do have,they're solid. They're better than solid. Chris Olave is probably one of the best young wide receivers out there. Michael Thomas is still trying to climb his way back to what he was a few years ago, a high volume targeted player who put up a bunch of numbers. Again, a lot of it was volume, but he was a solid guy. And it could be facing the Buccaneers defense where it's going to be ,possibly once again, be without their number one and number two cornerbacks. And that can be a problem for us on our side. Hopefully, we would get our backups. It can do a lot better than what we put out against Philly in a week three loss.
But we have an advantage in the fact that over the past three or four years, Todd Bowles has been there with his system. He's been having to play with backups left and right throughout his whole time.
Our number one guys, or number one and number two guys at cornerback have been in and out of the lineup a lot. Same thing with our safeties and everything, our whole secondary. And the coach has been able to formulate a plan to makes things work for the guys that we do have.
But yeah, Michael Thomas, Chris Olave, and Shaheed, all three of those guys.
Pretty damn tough, pretty damn tough.
Who else would you put out there? I know we still got Tebow-Lite back there , who is still a threat to run the ball or fake a pass and all that stuff like that. How do you see his usage right now? He's been used pretty damn heavy recently. Through the three games, he's been out there putting up a whole lot of production. He's just been a threat out there for a lot of.
Ryan: Honestly, you can use him at almost any position. He's really good. He needs to also run the ball more. When Kamara was suspended, you could have put him at running back, in my honest opinion.
O/L: Do y'all feel like that takes away from the Chris Olaves and the Michael Thomas , and the Shaheeds? Or does this make them more of a threat because nobody knows what he can or will do once he's out there?
Ryan: I think he's a threat no matter where you put him, to be honest with you.
OL: Do you feel like, hey, this is a great opportunity for somebody out on your offense or your defense to take advantage of whatever's lacking or whatever you feel like is lacking on the Tampa Bay side?
Ryan: I feel like it could be a big opportunity for guys like Alonte Taylor and Breece. Those guys could really be good.
OL: Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting game. And I still feel objectively like the BUCS can cause a lot of problems for New Orleans, but I also honestly feel like there could be some issues that the BUCS have.
Again, the wide receivers, being that two-headed monster between Michael Thomas and Chris Olave, having those cats out there against some backup cornerbacks might be a problem. And even with an injured Carlton Davis III who is our starter, that could cause some problems for him.
Then we also have the return of Kamara.
Kamara, again, he's a mean talent. He's never really had a big, big game against the BUCS. It was all because the BUCS did their job against him. He's been a hell of a threat, but he's never had major success against Tampa. He may be hungry coming out for this game, but if the O-line has the same issues that you were speaking of earlier, maybe he doesn't have big game against the BUCS again. He may find himself in the passing world a whole lot if they don't get it together with the run.
And again, that's gonna be scary for the Saints. We talked about it earlier. You got a quarterback who needs to be limited in his opportunities because he has a tendency to throw away games. He has a tendency to throw away opportunities and ,basically, make a track for success or a track that can lead to success for the defense because he tends to do and make the same mistakes over and over. Should be a pretty good game.
I think the BUCS, on the offensive side of the ball, I think they can cause a lot of problems for the defense. I know you guys have a really solid defense.
But for the first time in eight years, since the defense has been solid, there's actually a mobile quarterback, a guy who can actually get out of the pocket and may make himself a threat when it comes to Baker Mayfield. He's also got a lot of stuff to prove in Tampa. He's coming off a loss, like I said before.
So yeah, there's a lot of question marks, but there's a whole lot of room for an explosive game and a whole lot of room for ,possibly, a disappointing game for one or both of the teams.
Either a win or a loss or performance-based, if you had to come up with a prediction for the game, what would you come up with?
Ryan: I think it's gonna be tough game, like always between our teams. I think it might be more of a 20 to 17 game.
O/L: So another relatively, low scoring game with neither team, basically, getting a big advantage over the other
Looking at the time of Bay Buccaneers offense versus the New Orleans defense, first off, so as going into week four of the BUCS are ranked number 19 when it comes to points per game at 19.3 points per game.
New Orleans is the sixth-ranked defense giving up 16.7 points a game.(...) So the BUCS score 19 a game, the Saints only allow 16 a game. That's, I mean, that's something to be looking at, that's something to take into consideration. When you look at the New Orleans offense versus the BUCS defense, New Orleans is the 25th ranked offense, only scoring 17 points a game, while the Bucks are the the 9th ranked defense, giving up only 19 points a game.
So, it's pretty tight when you're looking at offensive production versus the defensive limitations that each defense and both offenses can put up. So it's not like one has a super wide margin to have bragging rights about, because the defenses of both teams pretty much cancel out the offense of each team. So either the offense, well, somebody's offense is gonna have to do something major or one of the defenses is gonna suck one way or another.
Ryan: And gonna get tired.
O/L: If you had to give them(Saints fans) hope for the game, what would you tell them? What would you point to as a reason for your fellow Saints fans to feel good about that team from the Crescent City? What would you tell them you guys have to look forward to as far as the possibility of winning this game?
Ryan: Honestly, the defense is still as good as they were last year.
And that Carr might not miss a whole lot of time because he only suffered an AC joint injury. He'll probably be back soon. Let's just hope it is soon. Because we dodged a major bullet with that injury because I thought it was a concussion, to be honest.
O/L: Now he(Carr), last I checked, I think it was this morning, in his press conference, he hasn't even ruled himself out of playing Sunday. If he felt like he could go, he said he's gonna go out there and go. I don't think they've ruled him out just yet, have they?
Ryan: No, but I'm sure they did say that it would be a miracle if he did play.
O/L:- And he tried to give the hope that he'd be out there if he could, which is what most starting quarterbacks, they say, anytime they get a chance to play, they don't wanna give it up. However, I have to look back at Baker Mayfield, and that's what got him out of Cleveland, playing a tough guy, trying to fight through an injury. Obviously, Derek Carr has been in the league long enough to have himself established a little bit, and he doesn't have to try to make himself something he's not, or try to play the tough guy. So he probably won't make that decision to go out there and try to play with an injured shoulder. That's not a smart move.
Anything that worries you from the BUCS side?
The offensive?
Defense?
I know you already had concerns about the offensive line, but is there anything that worries you or will give you pause to think about a potential win coming up in this game?
Ryan: Honestly, if Devin White or Vita Vea have a good game, it may be a long day.
O/L: Yeah, with a weakened offensive line, if the offensive line is as weak as you are concerned with them being, our two monsters in the middle, they could definitely wreak havoc.
Yeah, those are both really, really good guys. And both of them are coming off of injury. Both of them were injured in the week three game, or actually injured going into that game with Vita, having a pectorial issue, and he was limited in the his snap a little bit, and Devin White with a groin issue which actually caused him to pull up on a pretty big play after an interception.
He didn't make the interception return as much as he wanted to because of the injury. So yeah, man, either one of those guys didn't do a lot of damage to a weakend offensive line, but it would start with Vita Vea. It would start with him and what he can do because he's the guy who opens up those holes for a Devin White and a Lavonte David. If either one was coming to the game healthy, or at least 75%, it could be a tough game for any offensive line, good or bad.
RIVALRY OR NO RIVALRY
OL: There are a lot of Saints fans, I'm not sure if you included it or not, who completely dismiss any kind of rivalry with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You guys have a longer history with another division rival.
Why do a lot of your fans not see the Bucks as a rival? But why do they make that? I don't know if we want to call it an excuse or if we want to just say that they want to be dismissive of the BUCS. But how do you see the “ non rivalry?” And what do you think about the way that a lot of your fellow Saints fans feel about it?
Ryan: I can't see where they're coming from, honestly. Because a rivalry is not supposed to be as one-sided as this one really is. Because it's like what, 39-20? We have like a 19 win ahead of you guys. And I can see where you guys are coming from. And yes, it is a rivalry, whether people want to admit it or not. If you're in the same division, that is a rivalry. Like there's a rivalry with Carolina, Atlanta with people more associated with the Saints with Atlanta. Because we, more or less, can't stand them. It's sort of like Yankees Red Sox and also Bama Auburn, if that makes any sense in a way.
OL: Yeah, I agree.
It's not supposed to be one sided. Absolutely. It is absolutely…. it's a lopsided record when it comes to the BUCS versus most teams. Because we have the lowest winning percentage in the league right now. And I'll probably never see it be anything other than that, for as long as I'm a fan. Like it's almost insurmountable at this stage.
If you're looking at it just by the record side, no, it's not a rivalry;it's one sided. If we were losing ,pretty much, all of the last few games, then yeah, we'd be completely dismissed. But when you're in a division with another team, regardless of what the record is, y'all fight for the same thing that we fight for. If we win, you guys lose. Same thing on the side where if the Saints win, we lose. I don't ever wanna see the Saints win. I don't give a damn who the hell they’re playing. As a BUCS fan, the Saints are the most hated team in the division first.
Ryan: Over Atlanta?
OL: Over Atlanta. Because in the past few years, in the past few years, I'd say the last 10 years or so, the Saints have had a number more than any other team in the division, right? So, if we can speak honestly, just like any other team, everybody wants to be whatever the team that beats them is. Everybody wants to have whatever the team that beats them has.
2006, when Drew Brees came to town, like you guys said, as well as Sean Payton and that offense kinda transformed itself, then that was again on the BUCS downslide, or downside, that's when we were like, “Shit! We're getting beat by the same team, by the same kind of way and they've got a stable quarterback, they've got a semi-solid defense or a solid defense. Like, shit! That used to be us.” So yeah…we wanted to be what the Saints were. We wanted to be successful.
BUCS fans wanted to be successful like any other team that was winning. As far as the Falcons go, not so much. We just wanted to beat the Falcons because, again, they were in the division. As a BUCS fan, we don't need a singular rivalry to determine what our team is and in rivalries. If you're on the schedule, especially in our division, we consider you a rival, whether you like it or not.
And as I look around now, the Saints fans in different forms, Facebook, Twitter, and as well as Reddit, a lot of Saints fans wanna be where the BUCS are. Again…we're the team that are the defending champs. We're the ones who got most of the attention from national media over the last few years, even when the Saints were 2019/2020, when they were still considered the threat of NFC South.
Again, the Saints are the toughest team that we play in the division year in, year out. We've been swept by the Saints so many times.
Ain’t no way in hell we look at any other team and be like, yeah, no, they ain't our rivals. I hear Saints fans saying, no, we're not your rivals after a loss in the past three years. I know you guys have the thing with the Falcons, but we're like, yeah, whatever. That's because you were in a division long before the NFC South. Am I wrong?
Ryan: Yeah, so they were in the NFC West for a while before the NFC South was a thing.
O/L: Right, so you guys have the longest standing competition between two teams in our division
So, Saints fans, whoever, Falcons fans, they can claim that marriage to each other. As you know, the longest rivalry in the division. It’s true because you guys are where rivals before the division existed. But NFC South, as far as fans today trying to claim that “not our rivals”, I don't buy it.
Any other parting shots you wanna give to your fellow Saints fans? This one time, I opened the floor and leave it up for you Saints fans to say whatever it is you need to say, because normally I'm gonna be talking shit about you guys for 333 days out of the year.
Ryan: I'm good, because we're probably gonna talk trash about you guys too anyway, we both do.
Let's be honest there.
O/L:- No, absolutely. I wanna thank you for your time. I like to hear different perspectives about the teams. Nobody follows the team like an actual hardcore fan. A lot of people tune into national media and stuff like ESPN and Fox and all this other stuff where people basically pretend like they watch everything as close as fans. So I like to hear what other fans think and what they feel about the game of football and their teams and how they feel about it, because you won't get that from somebody who is just trying to be right rather than trying to actually have insight on the teams that they follow.
